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	<description>by Neil McIntosh</description>
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		<title>By: Frontline’s &#8216;Black Money&#8217; gets honorable mention at Loeb Awards : BusinessJournalism.org Reynolds Center for Business Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frontline’s &#8216;Black Money&#8217; gets honorable mention at Loeb Awards : BusinessJournalism.org Reynolds Center for Business Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McIntosh blogged about the topic of journalists as experts. He argues that stepping in and asking a few questions doesn’t make someone an expert. But as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Preston - Deep Background &#8211; Why don&#8217;t pro-health care rallies get any coverage? - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Preston - Deep Background &#8211; Why don&#8217;t pro-health care rallies get any coverage? - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can help explain the particulars of an issue to the masses (as an aside, I think that journalists should become experts, but that&#8217;s a topic for another [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Davos09: What&#8217;s missing in journalism? &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davos09: What&#8217;s missing in journalism? &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to know if not more than our subjects than at least enough to know what to dog? I&#8217;ve long argued that journalists aren&#8217;t experts, they find experts. But maybe I&#8217;m wrong about that. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] try to know if not more than our subjects than at least enough to know what to dog? I&#8217;ve long argued that journalists aren&#8217;t experts, they find experts. But maybe I&#8217;m wrong about that. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/12/31/journalists-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-79232</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired of pundits...

- T

http://mostemailednews.com</description>
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<p>- T</p>
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		<title>By: Craig McGill</title>
		<link>http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/12/31/journalists-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-79230</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig McGill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, firstly, I think you should have added in that the error can creep in not because of the journalist but because of others in the chain - a sub-editor who changes copy, an editor who over-eggs the tale or plays up an inaccurate angle. (I know by saying &#039;journalist&#039; you mean the whole profession but some readers may not see that)

But there&#039;s another side to this and it&#039;s one that&#039;s worrying for the future. Yes, it is the job of the journalist to find the experts, but it is also the job of the journalist to present that information in an easy to read manner because quite often (and scientists can be the worst at this) they are awful at presenting their point of view/facts. 

I always thought one of the great things about newspapers being online would be that you would have your story - written for the mainstream (even stories in specialist areas like Media Guardian and so on are relatively accessible by the mainstream reader) and then links to further indepth reading, but so few publications even now have grasped that opportunity.

I think you&#039;re always going to need generalists who reach across areas just as papers should have specialists. The big question is who is going to pay their salaries as people go more and more niche/blinkered in their reading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, firstly, I think you should have added in that the error can creep in not because of the journalist but because of others in the chain &#8211; a sub-editor who changes copy, an editor who over-eggs the tale or plays up an inaccurate angle. (I know by saying &#8216;journalist&#8217; you mean the whole profession but some readers may not see that)</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s another side to this and it&#8217;s one that&#8217;s worrying for the future. Yes, it is the job of the journalist to find the experts, but it is also the job of the journalist to present that information in an easy to read manner because quite often (and scientists can be the worst at this) they are awful at presenting their point of view/facts. </p>
<p>I always thought one of the great things about newspapers being online would be that you would have your story &#8211; written for the mainstream (even stories in specialist areas like Media Guardian and so on are relatively accessible by the mainstream reader) and then links to further indepth reading, but so few publications even now have grasped that opportunity.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re always going to need generalists who reach across areas just as papers should have specialists. The big question is who is going to pay their salaries as people go more and more niche/blinkered in their reading?</p>
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		<title>By: Heinz Wittenbrink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heinz Wittenbrink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand Jeff Jarvis&#039; maxim &quot;do what you do best and link to the rest&quot; as: journalists have different fields of erpertise, and they should link to those of their colleagues who are the best informed about a subject. Jeff himself argues that the Los Angeles Time should link to the Washington Post for US national news and offer news about the entertainment business to other sites.

My impression is that - at least in Austria where I live - journalists with real expertise on a topic are the most successful in a difficult market. 

Thank you for the excellent post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Jeff Jarvis&#8217; maxim &#8220;do what you do best and link to the rest&#8221; as: journalists have different fields of erpertise, and they should link to those of their colleagues who are the best informed about a subject. Jeff himself argues that the Los Angeles Time should link to the Washington Post for US national news and offer news about the entertainment business to other sites.</p>
<p>My impression is that &#8211; at least in Austria where I live &#8211; journalists with real expertise on a topic are the most successful in a difficult market. </p>
<p>Thank you for the excellent post!</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher - Wednesday squibs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher - Wednesday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalists as experts. Good post from Neil McIntosh, who sees expertise in journalism as one of the ways of saving the craft. Others, in the comments, don&#8217;t quite agree. Via Martin Stabe. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Journalists as experts. Good post from Neil McIntosh, who sees expertise in journalism as one of the ways of saving the craft. Others, in the comments, don&#8217;t quite agree. Via Martin Stabe. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is virtually no area of science, industry, law, politics, sport, art or any other subject that is regularly reported on in which all of the so-called experts are in complete agreement.&quot;

This is where Jeff Jarvis is correct in saying journalists are only good at finding experts. But the way he phrases it implies that all the journalist needs is a list of people. If you have plenty of time, then you can just go down the list, call them all and derive the points of consensus and dispute in any story. And you are going to waste a lot of time on interviews that go nowhere. With a bit of knowledge about the subject and who people are, you probably already have a good idea of who to call and why. 

The danger arises when you have acquired enough specialist knowledge to pick up blind spots - areas of assumed consensus that might be wrong because things have changed in the background. I&#039;ve seen this happen in technology reporting where the journalist is an specialist with an engineering background. Sometimes they arrive with a body of knowledge from their previous job and they assume every engineering company does things the same way.

The danger for the generalist is that, on that long list of interviewees, you arrive at a false consensus because half the people who granted an interview talked nonsense and you weren&#039;t able to filter that out. But, the generalist&#039;s advantage is a better view of what a general reader wants to know. A specialist can spend so long in the detail they miss important stories.

Would a geneticist naturally do a better job of reporting on the mapping of the human genome? Some of the assumptions made by geneticists before it was completed were not borne out by the results and the science has changed a lot in the wake of the project. And it was a project that called on a lot of disciplines, from computer science through molecular biology. Just because geneticists were the most interested community does not necessarily make them best placed to report on the project. Nor the worst.

There is a strong argument, however, for much better education among journalists on statistics, particularly where it comes to ideas such as significance and how to interpret P and r values. It&#039;s a skill that cuts across all the sciences, so there&#039;s no need to claim expertise in one ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is virtually no area of science, industry, law, politics, sport, art or any other subject that is regularly reported on in which all of the so-called experts are in complete agreement.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is where Jeff Jarvis is correct in saying journalists are only good at finding experts. But the way he phrases it implies that all the journalist needs is a list of people. If you have plenty of time, then you can just go down the list, call them all and derive the points of consensus and dispute in any story. And you are going to waste a lot of time on interviews that go nowhere. With a bit of knowledge about the subject and who people are, you probably already have a good idea of who to call and why. </p>
<p>The danger arises when you have acquired enough specialist knowledge to pick up blind spots &#8211; areas of assumed consensus that might be wrong because things have changed in the background. I&#8217;ve seen this happen in technology reporting where the journalist is an specialist with an engineering background. Sometimes they arrive with a body of knowledge from their previous job and they assume every engineering company does things the same way.</p>
<p>The danger for the generalist is that, on that long list of interviewees, you arrive at a false consensus because half the people who granted an interview talked nonsense and you weren&#8217;t able to filter that out. But, the generalist&#8217;s advantage is a better view of what a general reader wants to know. A specialist can spend so long in the detail they miss important stories.</p>
<p>Would a geneticist naturally do a better job of reporting on the mapping of the human genome? Some of the assumptions made by geneticists before it was completed were not borne out by the results and the science has changed a lot in the wake of the project. And it was a project that called on a lot of disciplines, from computer science through molecular biology. Just because geneticists were the most interested community does not necessarily make them best placed to report on the project. Nor the worst.</p>
<p>There is a strong argument, however, for much better education among journalists on statistics, particularly where it comes to ideas such as significance and how to interpret P and r values. It&#8217;s a skill that cuts across all the sciences, so there&#8217;s no need to claim expertise in one <img src='http://www.completetosh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Neil McIntosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David - a good point. Maybe, as well as more knowledge of the things we report on, we need to ensure the journalistic fundamentals are attended too properly. Good journalists manage to be knowledgeable, but also skeptical outsiders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David &#8211; a good point. Maybe, as well as more knowledge of the things we report on, we need to ensure the journalistic fundamentals are attended too properly. Good journalists manage to be knowledgeable, but also skeptical outsiders.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this not a stage in the long journey from the &quot;Renaissance Man&quot; who knew a fair bit about everything? As knowledge grew and became more complex, specialists evolved. If I read a piece about teaching I can soon tell if the writer has a clue - and if I read a piece full of comma-splice I know they&#039;re damned. 
;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this not a stage in the long journey from the &#8220;Renaissance Man&#8221; who knew a fair bit about everything? As knowledge grew and became more complex, specialists evolved. If I read a piece about teaching I can soon tell if the writer has a clue &#8211; and if I read a piece full of comma-splice I know they&#8217;re damned.<br />
 <img src='http://www.completetosh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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