OK - one for all you copyright gurus out there…

In an incident that may make you laugh, given my day job, I reckon a damned MSM company - AOL - has stolen a photograph I took to illustrate a post, as seen above.

The image was nothing special - this snap of Alcatraz I took while in San Francisco a few years ago - but the AOL blog Gadling used it to illustrate a piece (if you click through, that’s not my image on there now). As you can see, they stuck my name on the bottom of the image and linked back to the original Flickr page, but my position is they did that in breach of the Creative Commons license I use on Flickr, which clearly forbids using the image for “commercial purposes”.

Sticking my image on their corporately-owned, advertising strewn page is, in my book, a commercial purpose. They’re using my content as part of their editorial proposition.

I complained on April 12, when I found they’d been using the image (for around two months) and they removed it quite quickly. It took until yesterday to send me an email, however, saying:

“The picture in question was taken from a public gallery on Flickr and used for an editorial purpose, not a commercial use. Gadling used a thumbnail sized photo which linked back to the original source and which provided you with attribution. The important distinction here is that it is not the user of the photo that must be examined. In this instance, the use of the photo was for an editorial purpose and therefore allowed under the creative commons license you granted.”

Now, to my mind this is close to the old “it’s on the internets so must be free” excuse of old. They’re augmenting that by saying I shouldn’t look at the publisher of the page - big ol’ ugly AOL - but the use, which was editorial. Does that make it free? I doubt it, but I can’t be sure.

So I’m interested in this on two levels. First, are they right? Is this particular level of CC license such that, in fact, a large corporation can use your work on their commercial site without paying up? If that’s the case, I think there are lots of CC users out there who should know. What is the commercial purpose that CC license forbids if it’s not something like this? I’ve no problem with anyone using an image licensed for commercial use… but this? I’ve heard lawyers in the UK snort derisively at the whole CC idea… is it, in fact, pretty much useless?

Second, if AOL are wrong, I’d be surprised if they haven’t used a bunch of images in this way - there may be quite a few people being ripped off. It must be a rich source of free photography for them.

That said, it’s not the money I’m interested in - I’ll happily donate that to charity, if someone with expert knowledge can help me prove the principle. This seems like something that would be interesting to pursue. If anyone can help, or knows someone who can, do let me know in the comments, or by email.


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[...] similar — but distinctly more convivial — experience to Neil McIntosh’s run-in with AOL. I got a mail about a photo I put on Flickr: it’s nominated to be included in a forthcoming [...]

Pigsaw Blog » Blog Archive » Non-commercial photo use by commercial organisations added these pithy words on May 27 08 at 2:39 pm

I’d be really interested to hear more on this. So far, I’ve been aware of people asking nicely and doing things by the book - but not this.

chris added these pithy words on Apr 30 08 at 9:44 am

The good photography folk over at Urban 75 are very good on this issue. They rather rise to the challenge when big media start pilfering photos for free.

More HERE and HERE.

onionbagblogger added these pithy words on Apr 30 08 at 10:09 am

I’d say their argument is bollocks. There are certainly valid distinctions to be made between editorial and non-editorial use of imagery, but price isn’t necessarily one of them.

The key question here, imho, is whether the end use was commercial or not. And you’ve nailed that already - yes, it was, because it was on a page produced by a company that monetises web traffic through advertising. Doesn’t matter if it’s a news story or a holiday feature - the ‘customer’ - AOL - is a commercial entity and it used your pic in a commercial environment. So far as I’m aware, CC does not specifically *exclude* editorial end use from its definition of ‘commercial’, so AOL’s argument is, I think, spurious.

Which means you can and should bill them for 2 month’s usage at normal commercial rates.

Kyle MacRae added these pithy words on Apr 30 08 at 12:41 pm

Editorial use on a commercial site is commercial use.

Unless AOL can provide you with an affadavit certifying that the advertisers on that page neither paid nor bartered anything in exchange for AOL placing their ads on that page, then AOL has made commercial use of everything on that page, including your photo.

Vin Crosbie added these pithy words on May 01 08 at 1:41 am

Back in the good old days I think it would have been called an Advertorial - words and images helping you promote an area, product or subject to encourage commercial activity.

This is Wikipedia’s definition:

An advertorial is an advertisement written in the form of an objective opinion editorial, and presented in a printed publication — usually designed to look like a legitimate and independent news story.

Shaun Milne added these pithy words on May 01 08 at 6:29 am

Chancers. Out and out chancers. What if you worked for a media company that frowned on that sort of thing? You could get bollocked for letting your work appear elsewhere.

I think it’s time to revise the creative commons argument for saying non-commercial, non-editorial, non-advertorial and non-advertising use.

Craig McGill added these pithy words on May 03 08 at 3:15 pm

Completely agree with Vin. As far as I know AOL hasn’t registered as a charity yet… This is clearly commercial use of your content and you should insist on either a reasonable fee or ask them to take it down. I can’t believe how cheeky these guys are!

Torsten de Riese added these pithy words on May 11 08 at 6:34 am

actually, I noticed that the guardian has the same policy as aol and displays flickr images in editorial articles…

Torsten de Riese added these pithy words on May 22 08 at 4:11 pm

Hi Torsten - yes and no. We use Flickr pictures, but we’re clear on what constitutes commercial use - and don’t use pix that (like mine) forbid it. And if you see any that break that rule, you know where I am :)

Neil Mc added these pithy words on May 22 08 at 6:37 pm

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