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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s a journalist, who&#8217;s not, and why it doesn&#8217;t really matter anyway</title>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The ethic of identity</title>
		<link>http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/04/17/whos-a-journalist-whos-not-and-why-it-doesnt-really-matter-anyway/#comment-23129</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The ethic of identity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rules becomes almost moot when journalism can done by any witness with a tape recorder and a blog. Says the Guardian&#8217;s Neil McIntosh: I’m not sure how traditional journalistic rules of engagement [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rules becomes almost moot when journalism can done by any witness with a tape recorder and a blog. Says the Guardian&#8217;s Neil McIntosh: I’m not sure how traditional journalistic rules of engagement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mayhill Fowler and &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; &#187; mathewingram.com/work &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayhill Fowler and &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; &#187; mathewingram.com/work &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] why in the heat of the moment she might not have. I think Neil McIntosh of The Guardian may have put it best in a post he called &#8220;Who&#8217;s a Journalist, Who&#8217;s Not and Why It Doesn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why in the heat of the moment she might not have. I think Neil McIntosh of The Guardian may have put it best in a post he called &#8220;Who&#8217;s a Journalist, Who&#8217;s Not and Why It Doesn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieron Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Neil, I'm loving your blog – it would be great to interview you briefly for your views on citizen journalism vs real journalism for this international research project I'm doing on the topic. Would be happy to send you a copy of the research in return if you can spare a few minutes to share your expert comments with me over the phone.

You can get me at kieron.shawATgmail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Neil, I&#8217;m loving your blog – it would be great to interview you briefly for your views on citizen journalism vs real journalism for this international research project I&#8217;m doing on the topic. Would be happy to send you a copy of the research in return if you can spare a few minutes to share your expert comments with me over the phone.</p>
<p>You can get me at kieron.shawATgmail</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/04/17/whos-a-journalist-whos-not-and-why-it-doesnt-really-matter-anyway/#comment-19807</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieron Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, as with my previous response…

http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/03/29/serious-us-journalisms-broccoli-complex/

….let me offer what I've seen happening on this in the corporate world during my research, as a marker of where this might lead (or is leading) for you. There, where CEOs are very aware that the odd slipped-word internally can suddenly be on the front page of the WSJ the next day and cause the share price to drop and them to have to give back the Learjet by the end of the week, there has long been a guardedness. For the last few years that’s become a paranoia, as open blogs written by employees (e.g., Robert Scoble) have become widespread. As you say, candour has taken a hit precisely because information and publishing capability has become more available.

On the other, there is truly a parallel recognition (worry?) that this is an age where the conversation from leaders (political and corporate) HAS to be different – more down-home, more authentic, more "someone like me" – because the Gen X/Y audience demands it, won't listen to anything else. 

So the paradox is recognised. And yes, the result is that openness from CEOs and senior leaders has become situational and stage-managed, as I think it has in politics. 

But if any leader needs to sell 50% “my policies,” 50% “me”, then the first part gets the "official", formal, carefully-managed communication treatment and the second part (albeit while also often carefully managed) gets the less official, less formal, less guarded approach.

Sensitive policy issues are bled out with a very anus-puckered mindset, with communication protocol rigorously followed and everything even more uptight and diplomatically worded than ever before.

And then the other 50% of the leaders' kitbag (engaging your audience) is done in the polar opposite format: "Hey, let's just have a little folksy chat here over a cuppa, I’m just a regular guy like you."

It works, but leads to the kind of utterly Jekyll &#38; Hyde persona you see in many politicians today (Brown, Blair, Clinton, etc.). And the line to that, I think, can be traced back to this revolution of citizen journalism in recent years – or, at least, it is something that has amplified it hugely. 

The sad thing is, Jekyll&#38;Hyde works with the vast majority of the population – if only because they want a leader who seems super-capable and super-dynamic, but also just a little bit like them…

Kieron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, as with my previous response…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/03/29/serious-us-journalisms-broccoli-complex/" rel="nofollow">http://www.completetosh.com/we.....i-complex/</a></p>
<p>….let me offer what I&#8217;ve seen happening on this in the corporate world during my research, as a marker of where this might lead (or is leading) for you. There, where CEOs are very aware that the odd slipped-word internally can suddenly be on the front page of the WSJ the next day and cause the share price to drop and them to have to give back the Learjet by the end of the week, there has long been a guardedness. For the last few years that’s become a paranoia, as open blogs written by employees (e.g., Robert Scoble) have become widespread. As you say, candour has taken a hit precisely because information and publishing capability has become more available.</p>
<p>On the other, there is truly a parallel recognition (worry?) that this is an age where the conversation from leaders (political and corporate) HAS to be different – more down-home, more authentic, more &#8220;someone like me&#8221; – because the Gen X/Y audience demands it, won&#8217;t listen to anything else. </p>
<p>So the paradox is recognised. And yes, the result is that openness from CEOs and senior leaders has become situational and stage-managed, as I think it has in politics. </p>
<p>But if any leader needs to sell 50% “my policies,” 50% “me”, then the first part gets the &#8220;official&#8221;, formal, carefully-managed communication treatment and the second part (albeit while also often carefully managed) gets the less official, less formal, less guarded approach.</p>
<p>Sensitive policy issues are bled out with a very anus-puckered mindset, with communication protocol rigorously followed and everything even more uptight and diplomatically worded than ever before.</p>
<p>And then the other 50% of the leaders&#8217; kitbag (engaging your audience) is done in the polar opposite format: &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s just have a little folksy chat here over a cuppa, I’m just a regular guy like you.&#8221;</p>
<p>It works, but leads to the kind of utterly Jekyll &amp; Hyde persona you see in many politicians today (Brown, Blair, Clinton, etc.). And the line to that, I think, can be traced back to this revolution of citizen journalism in recent years – or, at least, it is something that has amplified it hugely. </p>
<p>The sad thing is, Jekyll&amp;Hyde works with the vast majority of the population – if only because they want a leader who seems super-capable and super-dynamic, but also just a little bit like them…</p>
<p>Kieron</p>
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		<title>By: If I want that regular access to a near-private conversation I have to get beyond the gate-keeper. And not everybody can do that&#8230; &#187; Out With A Bang</title>
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		<dc:creator>If I want that regular access to a near-private conversation I have to get beyond the gate-keeper. And not everybody can do that&#8230; &#187; Out With A Bang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/04/17/whos-a-journalist-whos-not-and-why-it-doesnt-really-ma... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.completetosh.com/weblog/2008/04/17/whos-a-journalist-whos-not-and-why-it-doesnt-really-ma.." rel="nofollow">http://www.completetosh.com/we.....eally-ma..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the words of Yeatman and Sellars, one view is wrong but romantic, the other right but repulsive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the words of Yeatman and Sellars, one view is wrong but romantic, the other right but repulsive.</p>
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		<title>By: RickWaghorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickWaghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made the suggestion the other day that perhaps a journalists could be defined as 'simply someone with regular access to a near-private conversation' - http://outwithabang.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/here-comes-everbody-and-before-they-do-we-better-define-for-once-just-what-makes-us-as-journalists-different/ - the point here being that Mayhill Flower is a perfect example of a world exclusive by a citizen writer, not a citizen journalist. Because if that definition holds true, her ability to have a near-private conversation with Mr Obama regularly in the future is, I suspect, nil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made the suggestion the other day that perhaps a journalists could be defined as &#8217;simply someone with regular access to a near-private conversation&#8217; - <a href="http://outwithabang.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/here-comes-everbody-and-before-they-do-we-better-define-for-once-just-what-makes-us-as-journalists-different/" rel="nofollow">http://outwithabang.wordpress......different/</a> - the point here being that Mayhill Flower is a perfect example of a world exclusive by a citizen writer, not a citizen journalist. Because if that definition holds true, her ability to have a near-private conversation with Mr Obama regularly in the future is, I suspect, nil.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point. Except of course that if Obama had said nothing interesting then Mayhill Flower would have been quite happy to accept the 'rules' of the engagement. Which of us doesn't worry that they'd sell even their friends out if they said or did something that newsworthy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point. Except of course that if Obama had said nothing interesting then Mayhill Flower would have been quite happy to accept the &#8216;rules&#8217; of the engagement. Which of us doesn&#8217;t worry that they&#8217;d sell even their friends out if they said or did something that newsworthy?</p>
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		<title>By: Completetosh.com, by Neil McIntosh &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I was once a US Government-sanctioned journalist, you know</title>
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		<dc:creator>Completetosh.com, by Neil McIntosh &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I was once a US Government-sanctioned journalist, you know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] footnote on the whole Mayhill Fowler thing: Mindy McAdams, writing about this story, makes the point it&#8217;s important we don&#8217;t start [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] footnote on the whole Mayhill Fowler thing: Mindy McAdams, writing about this story, makes the point it&#8217;s important we don&#8217;t start [...]</p>
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