Comments on: NUJ and new media: the trouble is, they just don’t know what’s going on

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By: Donnacha DeLong

Donnacha DeLong — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:52:31 +0000

So, Trinity Mirror cuts staff with abandon (while Sly Bailey continues to earn obscene amounts of money), then feels sites and newspapers with “citizen journalists” and you say it’s not happening. You really need to get out more - how about talking to your colleagues in Manchester about how they feel. It saddens me to see someone involved in one of the pioneering news websites thinking that massive widespread staff cuts across the industry isn’t an issue and that “it’s nothing to do with the web.” It’s EVERYTHING to do with what ignorant proprietors think they can get away with on the web. I work on the web and I know what effective and audience-focussed web content needs - and it’s more professionals, not fewer. The BBC and Guardian’s models, employing professional journalists to develop their web content, worked where those of RTÉ and ireland.com led to their decline as they initiated cuts in 2001/2002 (once upon a time, around 2000, all four were true pioneers). Your defense of Trinity Mirror and Sly Bailey speaks volumes, even Greenslade is unlikely to agree with you there.

By: Neil McIntosh

Neil McIntosh — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:50:13 +0000

Gah! Those first three links have nothing to do with the web, and all to do with falling print circulations, falling print revenues and - in some cases (like the Scottish Mirror) - classically bad management. I had friends who lost their jobs there. It had *nothing*to*do*with*the*web*.

Those last two stories, meanwhile, are good news; companies trying new things out, investing in digital and maybe - if they get it right - securing jobs for the future.

Can’t you see the differences here?

By: Does the NUJ understand the internet? « Reportr.net

Does the NUJ understand the internet? « Reportr.net — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:45:23 +0000

[...] Paul Bradshaw takes the NUJ to task for not understanding what Web 2.0 means. Part of his ire is directed at a piece published in The Journalist under the headline, Web 2.0 is rubbish. Neil McIntosh at The Guardian also weighs in on this article, arguing that by pitting professional journalists against citizen reporters, the author, “like a soldier lost in the woods, is fighting the war that was won years ago“. [...]

By: Donnacha DeLong

Donnacha DeLong — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:30:58 +0000

Most revealing, though, in an interview “Delong had with BBC 5Live’s Pods & Blogs show, in which he made clear his nightmare vision was of publishers offloading all their professional reporters, and using only amateur reporters to file reports then edited by a rump of subeditors back in the otherwise deserted newsroom.

That is, indeed, a nightmare vision, and Delong puts an articulate case. But he’s talking about something that nobody is suggesting will happen.”

It’s something that’s already happening Neil, take off your national newspaper blinkers - look at this series of events:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medi.....ediaunions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/medi.....ediaunions
http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1175
http://www.journalism.co.uk/2/articles/53043.php
http://www.journalism.co.uk/2/articles/53448.php

By: Completetosh.com, by Neil McIntosh » Blog Archive » Five things the NUJ could do to engage with the web

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:10:21 +0000

[...] As threatened yesterday, here are some suggestions on how the NUJ could get more clued-up about what’s happening in [...]

By: Craig McGinty

Craig McGinty — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:57:39 +0000

They could start with simple training in the use of RSS, blogging, online advertising opportunities, social bookmarking - especially as newsroom staff will be asked to be more web aware, or if cutbacks are made look at having to go freelance.