Comments on: NUJ: is it “hypocritical” to remain a member?

By: Completetosh.com, by Neil McIntosh » Blog Archive » Marking up the NUJ's new media verdict

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:02:04 +0000

[...] both as we try to work out if the union has actually managed to get is act together since it caused such disquiet with some initial findings earlier in the [...]

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By: Spalpeen :: Am I really the first blogger to join the NUJ?

Spalpeen :: Am I really the first blogger to join the NUJ? — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:18:38 +0000

[...] succeed, partly in an attempt to enact some basic changes at the NUJ using a method other than arguing online with Donnacha DeLong (setting up a form based online application system, publishing The Journalist [...]

By: charliebeckett.org » Blog Archive » Stand Up For Journalism

charliebeckett.org » Blog Archive » Stand Up For Journalism — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000

[...] has written about the perils of the Internet, while the Guardian’s new media correspondent Neil MacIntosh has told the NUJ how to get its new media act together. US blogger Jeff Jarvis thought that the [...]

By: Completetosh.com, by Neil McIntosh » Blog Archive » NUJ and new media: the trouble is, they just don't know what's going on

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:23 +0000

[...] Journalist magazine finally arrived at Tosh Towers, and its convergence coverage was broadly as bad as expected. Those expectations were already low thanks to the vigorous fiskings provided by the [...]

By: Kyle MacRae

Kyle MacRae — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:41:17 +0000

Hullo. Define success

By: Quem nos acode? « Atrium - Media e Cidadania

Quem nos acode? « Atrium - Media e Cidadania — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:01:00 +0000

[...] discussão, no lado britânico, vai andando, com contributos de Shane Richmond (Daily Telegraph) ou Neil McIntosh (Guardian). Sou só eu, ou mais alguém tem a sensação de que, por cá, independentemente do que [...]

By: Donnacha DeLong

Donnacha DeLong — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:54:49 +0000

Neil, this is going nowhere. If you want to talk about these properly, let’s do it over coffee.

By: Neil McIntosh

Neil McIntosh — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:24:42 +0000

Donnacha - you’re not honestly saying the NUJ came up with the original idea, in 2006, of TV stations paying their viewers for video clips, are you? Did it occur to you they’d been doing that for a while already?

It’s not ridiculous to ask for a little evidence when someone makes big claims about the impact their work has had. You said broadcasters adopted your recommendations, which means you are explicitly saying they took on the NUJ’s thinking and policies. I’ve never heard that said before, which is why I asked all those questions. You’ve offered nothing to support your claims.

The relevance this has to the broader debate is that, unfortunately, pronouncements like those you make in “Web 2.0 is rubbish” ensure the union seen as being a bit daft when it comes to talking about the future of our business. That’s a problem.

By: Donnacha DeLong

Donnacha DeLong — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:21:35 +0000

Neil, you’re being ridiculous. Firstly, the same Guardian article I linked above mentions Channel 5, so that justifies the plural. Secondly, it doesn’t matter whether the Beeb adopted our recommendations because we made them, or did so for completely spontaneous reasons without any knowledge of the fact that they were our recommendations. We don’t make recommendations for the hell of it or for personal glorfication, I’m not trying to take credit for anyone’s policy, I’m pointing out that they put policy in place that you rejected as unrealistic when we suggested. I’m giving up at this point, I don’t know how I can make myself clearer than that - you’re nitpicking and trying to score points and it’s not worth the effort.